Re: [-empyre-] meat and potatoes space

[marc <sparkle@c-level.cc>]

For me, this thread is a great snap-shot of our current moment and a 
weakness of our collective  discursive practice.

We all agree in the end! And that is all we learn!
Where has this conversation gone?

This is the atomization of our intellectual heritage and future so that 
we have no agenda besides stating our opinion.

Christina and I set out an agenda in week one, and I set out an outline 
entitled "play ball" inviting collective engagement towards progressive 
problem solving.

Weeks later, we are bickering (me included) about things that seem like 
we can all somewhat agree upon.


Sad.

Marc




On Nov 29, 2005, at 9:23 PM, Ryan Griffis wrote:

> On Nov 29, 2005, at 7:00 PM, marc wrote:
> > I would imagine that we could collectively imagine that there is a
> > hybrid practices between the web and the "meat-world" (great term). 
> > And
> > that we could collectively allow for a functionality on both
> > extremes...
>
> i think Robby's post is meant to be a bit (or more) provocative here 
> (of course, i've been known to be wrong!). and his crit of tech lines 
> up with some of the other concerns about the false promises of IT to 
> deliver democracy, so it's not without some sound foundation. Read 
> Hakim Bey (aka Peter Lamborn Wilson) lately?
> Trebor text posted earlier i think also asks some great questions that 
> had a couple people on his New Media Education challenging the 
> effectiveness of  IT for the purposes of the left.
> http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/2005-November/000089.html
> Anyway, i think the whole dichotomy thing IT/anti-IT is kind of a 
> distraction and a bit of a red herring... were people arguing over 
> whether or not the printing press was going to change the world for 
> the better, lift up the oppressed, just by being produced?
> it did no doubt change the world, but it certainly didn't eliminate 
> oppression, as our reality testifies to.
> great posts.
> ryan
>
> _______________________________________________
> empyre forum
> empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> http://www.subtle.net/empyre