[-empyre-] Fwd: situated body / situated practices: speculative gender disruptor mechanisms
Ana Valdés
agora158 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 15 19:05:57 AEST 2019
But dear Sandy you dont need to sign off :) you are always among us
listening or lurking or inspiring :)
Love
Ana
sön 15 sep. 2019 kl. 05:31 skrev Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
allucquere.stone at gmail.com>:
> Hi Ana, dammit, I wish I had seen your post on nomadics and your efforts
> to bring it to the table before I signed off from the discussion!
>
> Hugs,
> Sandy
>
>
> Ana Valdés wrote on 9/14/19 9:42 PM:
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> Greetings to all from a wintry Montevideo where I settled down after 32
> years in Sweden, where I was deported as political refugee in the 80:s. I
> met Sandy then and made one of her books translated into Swedish and I
> wrote the foreword of it.
> I am very interested in the subject of nomadic identities and I tried
> under all my years of belonging to _empyre to take the topic to the table.
> As a nomadic subject myself commuting between my languages (my mother
> tongue Spanish and Italian my second one Swedish and my English and French)
> and identities I see the gender as one of the multiple identities we can
> assume and perform.
> One of the best thinking about it it’s Rosi Braidotti professsor in
> Utrecht but raised in Australia by Italian parents.
> Her books about the ability to traspasa borders of language belonging and
> heritage are for me pivotal concepts.
> Another one discussing gender and performing is Beatriz Preciado, now Beto
> Preciado.
> She/he is born in the Basque provinces in Spain but trained as an
> architect and a philosopher in France. Preciado attended the seminars of
> Lacan and Derrida and his book “Yonqui text” is a great contribution to
> gender, transgender and the nomadic being.
> Cheers
> Ana
>
> sön 15 sep. 2019 kl. 01:24 skrev melinda rackham <melrack at me.com>:
>
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>> Hi Elæ, Jaimes, McKenzie and Sandy,
>>
>> Greetings on a wintery morning in Carlton with a black Abyssinian named
>> Eno on my lap. As someone who could never perform my assigned gender with
>> any great enthusiasm, I thank you all for your generous texts.
>>
>> I wanted to share a few things here:
>> firstly I am currently writing a book with CoUNTess aka Elvis
>> Richardson, looking at the asymmetry of gendered success in the arts,
>> which becomes very complex when one quantifies the disadvantages in status,
>> economics and legacy of being other than white cis male. One of the
>> CoUNTess outcomes after a decade of work is to commission along with with
>> NAVA:
>>
>> *“CLEAR EXPECTATIONS: Guidelines for institutions, galleries and curators
>> working with trans, non-binary and gender diverse artists in Australia* - a
>> new resource of best practice for the contemporary arts written by artists
>> Spence Messih and Archie Barry.
>>
>> NAVA urges the sector to take the time to read through this resource with
>> your collaborators, colleagues, board and staff and let’s make sure the
>> contemporary arts sector is respectful, safe and welcoming for all trans,
>> non-binary and gender diverse people.”
>>
>> https://visualarts.net.au/media/uploads/files/Clear_Expectations_Guidlines_FA_Digital.pdf
>>
>>
>> The second is the perspective of transitioning bodies entangled in
>> theory- and I’m thinking Quinn Eades poetic voice would enrich this
>> polylogue.
>> “Dr Quinn Eades is a researcher, writer, and award-winning poet whose
>> work lies at the nexus of feminist and queer theories of the body,
>> autobiography, and philosophy. Eades is published nationally and
>> internationally, and is the author of all the beginnings: a queer
>> autobiography of the body, and Rallying. Eades is a Lecturer in Core
>> Interdisciplinary Studies at La Trobe, as well as the founding editor of
>> Australia's only interdisciplinary, peer reviewed, gender, sexuality and
>> diversity studies journal, Writing from Below. He is currently working on a
>> book-length collection of autobiographical fragments from the transitioning
>> body titled Transpositions.”
>>
>> https://scholars.latrobe.edu.au/display/qeades
>>
>>
>> And thirdly in my long association with feminism, gender abolition has
>> always about power relations - here is the Xenofem take on it :
>>
>> “Xenofeminism is gender-abolitionist. 'Gender abolitionism' is not code
>> for the eradication of what are currently considered 'gendered' traits from
>> the human population. Under patriarchy, such a project could only spell
>> disaster–the notion of what is 'gendered' sticks disproportionately to the
>> feminine. But even if this balance were redressed, we have no interest in
>> seeing the sexuate diversity of the world reduced. Let a hundred sexes
>> bloom!
>>
>> 'Gender abolitionism' is shorthand for the ambition to construct a
>> society where traits currently assembled under the rubric of gender, no
>> longer furnish a grid for the asymmetric operation of power.
>> We need new affordances of perception and action unblinkered by
>> naturalised identities. In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer
>> be a refuge of injustice, or a basis for any political justification
>> whatsoever!
>>
>> If nature is unjust, change nature!”
>> https://www.laboriacuboniks.net/
>>
>>
>> warm regards
>> Melinda
>>
>>
>> warm regards
>> Melinda
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
>> *Date:* 14 September 2019 at 11:28:30 pm AEST
>> *To:* soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>> *Subject:* *Re: [-empyre-] situated body / situated practices:
>> speculative gender disruptor mechanisms*
>> *Reply-To:* soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>
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>> Yes, "gender abolition" gets thrown at trans ppl by transphobic feminists
>> a lot. Even though they don't quite seem to believe in it themselves.
>>
>> I think it has to mean the abolition of compulsory, fixed and
>> hierarchical gender.
>>
>> At present, its very hard to:
>>
>> -- change a gender assigned at birth
>> -- live outside the gender binary
>> -- mix element assigned to the two genders
>> -- change the meaning of those elements
>> -- refuse the hierarchy between genders
>> -- inhabit other genders altogether
>>
>> To me, gender abolition means the freedom to do all those things.
>> Including the freedom to lean in pretty hard to attributes of a binary
>> gender if you want or need to.
>>
>> A lot, probably most, trans ppl really *need* to embody a gender other
>> than the one assigned at birth because they are dysphoric. Their (our, my)
>> gender feels wrong and is debilitating. In my case, performing masculinity
>> just seemed like drag. Like acting. I was not very good at it. I was
>> playful with it sometimes, and that helped, but in the end it wasn't
>> enough. I had to get out (and should have got out sooner).
>>
>> I felt like i'd rather perform femininity badly than masculinity badly,
>> as being a woman in public, in all of my life, at least felt right to me
>> even if it doesn't to a lot of the ppl i intreract with every....
>> single.... day.
>>
>> Its a very rapid education. TBH i wonder why cis ppl think they can
>> lecture me about gender as if they are experts when they have only ever
>> been one of them. I really felt the need of the company, support,
>> friendship and love of other transsexual women because nobody else really
>> seems to get what it is we perceive. I really felt the need to find and
>> study our art and literature partly to help me but partly because, on a
>> good day, i think that work is revolutionary.
>>
>> I started writing about it. First installment is here:
>> https://www.e-flux.com/journal/102/282888/femme-as-in-fuck-you/
>>
>> So when we say "gender abolition," can it please mean an end to the
>> coercive system about which gender you have to be in, what it is supposed
>> to do, and whether its supposed to be the dominant or submissive one. Let's
>> abolish all of that. I don't think we can even know what a gender can be
>> until we do. Gender can be play, but also desire. It can be a thing a body
>> desperately needs and will do anything for -- if it doesn't get to be it.
>> That's not playful at all. But a world in which gender is *in play* helps
>> those with strong desires to be a gender other than the one's currently
>> considered 'lawful.'
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 10:44 PM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>> allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>>> Hi folks, thanks for your insightful engagement. I have to take things
>>> a bit out of the order in which they’re being posted because I’m on the
>>> move today and can’t take time to track everyone. I just wanted to make
>>> one comment, for better or worse. In regard to thoughts about an eventual
>>> diminishment or disappearance of gender: IMHO gender is never going to
>>> disappear. If, for some reason, someone managed to abolish gender, someone
>>> else would recreate it immediately. We experience gender within systems of
>>> power so vile and perverse that it can be difficult to understand what it
>>> is or what it’s for. One of the great things that queer culture brought to
>>> the table was the concept of gender as fun, and gender is massively
>>> imbricated in complex webs of interpersonal expressions of emotion,
>>> aesthetics, philosophy, power, and a host of other things that exceed the
>>> ontic frame of representation that capital, religion, and custom impose…
>>> the point being: don’t eliminate, expand. Let’s play.
>>>
>>> Sandy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Elæ [Lynne DeSilva-Johnson] <
>>> lynne at theoperatingsystem.org> wrote:
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>>> Dear softly skinned humans-in-space:
>>>
>>> Thank you, McKenzie, James, Sandy, Isabelle, for your thoughts and
>>> reflections so far. If I wait too much longer to respond with thoughts
>>> it'll become an essay, too long for this medium. and thanks, Shu Lea, for
>>> inviting my response --
>>>
>>> hmmmmm -- um, can I begin by requesting please that I be brought along
>>> to the next trans-centric rave in the bowels of Brooklyn. tho now this
>>> makes me consider, immediately, those spaces which have been permissive of
>>> my fluidity, and those which have not -- in body, in interpersonal
>>> acknowledgement, and in other ways. dance spaces have often felt over
>>> sexualized as well as alcohol and drug centric, so unfortunately less safe
>>> than I'd like, but I think part of that for me is my possession of an
>>> overly sexualized, femme body--and perhaps it's age. the younger queer and
>>> trans folks seem to be building more of these safe spaces, and for so many
>>> the relationship to languaging and presenting themselves is so markedly
>>> different, growing up as digital natives with so much more visible content
>>> accessible. certainly not suggesting it's "easy" -- no blanket statements
>>> -- but definitely different... I have college freshmen who started watching
>>> drag race at 9 years old.
>>>
>>> recently, my scholarly considerations of my body's positionality have,
>>> via my own experience as an often chronically ill, usually precarious
>>> nonbinary queer person, become inextricably intertwined with questions of
>>> the disabled, mad, and traumatized body in space, and perhaps more broadly
>>> the Othered body: where, per Ahmed, does this body face undue risk and find
>>> it necessary to follow "straight lines," even performatively, in order to
>>> remain even tangentially in receipt of whatever privilege might be
>>> available through passing? where does it feel dangerous vis-a-vis social
>>> capital or other considerations to continually correct others who
>>> repeatedly misgender me? this can be similar to the experience of being
>>> disabled or ill -- how and where and when does it feel dangerous or harmful
>>> to the self to voice needs of the body not considered within architecture /
>>> socio-cultural structures that assume an abled-body? or an otherwise
>>> Othered condition?
>>>
>>> the extent to which my degrees of outness as a genderfluid /
>>> gender-expansive person, to different communities and in different spaces,
>>> has been visible or made central to my story has always been in
>>> conversation with these other vectors. I would be curious (and this is on
>>> my mind in particular having just been in the EU) to compare the extent to
>>> which the sort of bioprecarity which is a daily reality for many queer /
>>> trans / nonbinary people here in the US changes the ways in which we
>>> interface with its visibility/risk, especially for those alienated from
>>> family, or otherwise outside of a supportive partnership, without insurance
>>> or underinsured, etc; how might this differ from the ways a less precarious
>>> body experiences the public possibilities for their gender?
>>>
>>> for me, the binary has always been troubling and a confusing space. to
>>> be honest, the *body* has always been a troubling and confusing space,
>>> since my relationship to it has always been instinctively and then more
>>> deeply believed / theorized as a vessel/set of materials within which a
>>> transtemporal consciousness experiences itself -- "gender" has always felt
>>> reductive and overly simplistic, a construct of if not a delimited human
>>> imagination then, more accurately, of the direction that patriarchy and
>>> capital has moved our bodies--since indigenous peoples often included
>>> additional gender categories and often considered persons with this
>>> fluidity to be passing more easily between the human and spirit realms --
>>> indeed, to even talk about other cultures as having a 'third gender' is in
>>> itself overly simplistic because it starts with an understanding of gender
>>> as binary, adding on, rather than recognizing that the perception of the
>>> self that an entirely different worldview wherein this isn't a fixed
>>> element offers is entirely unimaginable coming from a binary framework.
>>>
>>> it has been through my own processing of trauma and working myself out
>>> of the scarcity programming of my institutional conditions that it has
>>> begun to feel not only safer (usually) as well as necessary and critically
>>> important to hold space for myself as as nonbinary / gender fluid person,
>>> and to center this visibility as part of my creative and scholarly
>>> practice. I've been thinking a lot as someone who built a queer family
>>> outside of legal visibility (my daughter has two gay dads and me, but on
>>> paper I am "not a parent," beaus there is no room for us all, legally) how
>>> for many of us precarity and trauma has been a major driver in the queer
>>> and trans community's move towards prioritizing marriage as a lobby issue
>>> (here in the US in recent decades), away from the more expansive, radical
>>> activism around the establishment of other family and household structures.
>>> instead, commons-centric possibilities for change, a la Haraway's "make kin
>>> not babies," (which to be frank is increasingly something we should be
>>> moving towards in this time of climate crisis and delimited resources, and
>>> underwhelming infrastructures of care) for many seem only available to a
>>> few, something the traumatized queer or trans body often avoids as unsafe
>>> terrain to chance.
>>>
>>> recently, as part of further work on how we can hack bodies somatically
>>> under the subconscious control of trauma I've been working on a number of
>>> "disruptor mechanisms," and considering in particular for our purposes the
>>> role of speculative language in rewiring our perceptions of our
>>> possibilities--embodied consciousness ultimately ruling over cognitive
>>> logic, despite our efforts. what might be shifted for us, if in lieu of
>>> immediate availability of infrastructural change, we make a concerted
>>> effort not only as queer, trans, and nonbinary folk to agentively be more
>>> active in our use of language that in all our usage rejects the notion of a
>>> binary entirely?
>>>
>>> which means, in our daily practice, working with AFAB or AMAB (assigned
>>> F/M at birth) as a way of talking about even children, considering not
>>> gendering our children in their early years, being careful not to language
>>> reproductive health or menstruation or menopause as "women's" issues, not
>>> to assume that all women or men or anyone has specific body parts, and
>>> moving towards the adoption of a wider range of available language in how
>>> we refer to ourselves and others.
>>>
>>> hmm, this is getting long, but it's something I've been working on a lot
>>> the last few years -- in fact, this became the root thinking for my
>>> forthcoming essay for the Transgender Narratives anthology, "Par,
>>> Muddy, Sibter, Nibling, and Sprog : Languaging a Future for Lovepersons",
>>> where I consider explicitly how language reproduces these conditions
>>> keeping us from more expansive kinship structures, but then through
>>> speculative language adoption how working with it on a daily basis might
>>> provide a “soft” opening to facilitating these changes, both on the page
>>> and in practice.
>>> of course, there's nothing soft about how it feels to get misgendered,
>>> but this too is nonbinary: addressing and holding space for the
>>> reprogramming required for the fearful to admit the possibility of there
>>> being no gender, more genders, etc (and what that means for their sense of
>>> self), alongside the desire for our rights to be seen and acknowledged and
>>> not endangered for presenting and verbalizing their identity. both, and.
>>> useful here too is the long history of alternative and speculative
>>> language for queer and nonbinary possibilities in scifi, and the history of
>>> other gender markers being available and normative in virtual spaces even
>>> in their earliest days -- Spivak pronouns making an early appearance, for
>>> instance. what has this facilitated in the imagination? how can we bring
>>> that sort of plasticity to daily experience? it is essential for all of us,
>>> not only the nonbinary and trans among us, to free ourselves of the damage
>>> of the gender-binary in terms of our thinking. within the acknowledgement
>>> and re-languaging of our community, if adopted widely by allies, comes the
>>> possibility for countless repercussions within policy, care, legal rights,
>>> etc.
>>> am I done? I am never done. neither is my gender. do we have time to
>>> talk about Genesis P-Orridge? I leave us with one last thought: how can we,
>>> as those seeking expansive possibilities for life on earth (and beyond) in
>>> whatever time we have here, recognize that the use of gender-free language
>>> can be a critical tool in evolving ourselves? how can we bring this
>>> practice into our curation, our classrooms, and our interactions daily? I
>>> can talk more about how I do this, and strategies for doing so that feel
>>> like a welcome rather than an admonition, but I have written enough for
>>> now, surely.
>>> for others in NY, the wonderful trans poet TC Tolbert is coming to Pratt
>>> as a guest artist all fall, and CA Conrad (nonbinary, doing great somatic
>>> work as well) will be performing tomorrow at the strand. I hold space in
>>> the OS catalog for trans and genderqueer / nonbinary creative
>>> practitioners, through our Kin(d)* series, and can share all sorts of
>>> wonderful content that I use with my students, if folks desire. poetics can
>>> be an incredible disruptor mechanism, as it already refuses the sentence of
>>> the sentence....
>>> xxxx
>>> ONWARD.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> x
>>> x
>>> ONWARD
>>> in possibility
>>> e/l
>>> x
>>> x
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ELÆ [Lynne DeSilva-Johnson]
>>> *pronouns: they/them*
>>> *Creative Director & Founder*
>>>
>>> The Operating System
>>> www.theoperatingsystem.org
>>> Brooklyn and Worldwide
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and
>>> change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one
>>> obsolete.”- R. Buckminster Fuller
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 10:00 PM <
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>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>> 1. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (Jaimes Mayhew)
>>>> 2. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)
>>>> 3. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)
>>>> 4. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (isabelle arvers)
>>>> 5. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)
>>>> 6. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 23:08:23 -0400
>>>> From: Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
>>>> Message-ID: <AF3CFF61-9BAD-492F-A00F-AD3AFB2D71F3 at gmail.com>
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>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
>>>> posting, but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my
>>>> heart swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>>
>>>> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
>>>> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve found
>>>> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media as a way
>>>> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and now
>>>> Facebook.
>>>>
>>>> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you
>>>> present at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
>>>> wondering if you might be family.
>>>>
>>>> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>>
>>>> > On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> > When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
>>>> said: "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >
>>>> > True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i
>>>> was clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >
>>>> > "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed
>>>> for extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground for
>>>> Nazis.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> twitter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
>>>> playing whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >
>>>> > The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too.
>>>> The Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld
>>>> library.
>>>> >
>>>> > Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> > http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >
>>>> > -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all
>>>> call ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >
>>>> > But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> >> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue. McKenzie
>>>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as loathing,
>>>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror. I thought
>>>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy I gave
>>>> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads not taken, ships
>>>> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in
>>>> the past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through
>>>> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close
>>>> relative, an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
>>>> Trumpist. J Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a
>>>> raging pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either
>>>> reduces or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
>>>> literally? all it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the
>>>> car behind her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all busy
>>>> slouching toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more time.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sandy
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
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>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > McKenzie Wark (they/she)
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>>>> From: warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
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>>>> Thanks Jaimes,
>>>> When i came out, nobody who actually knew me even slightly seemed at
>>>> all surprised. And a lot of ppl who know me well were like -- finally!
>>>>
>>>> I'd be curious to know what the experience was like of finding other
>>>> trans
>>>> ppl on Friendster and Myspace. I didn't. I started with Tumblr.
>>>>
>>>> I came out on Facebook because it seemed that was where my professional
>>>> identity was, and where ppl who knew me from Australia were.
>>>>
>>>> But in terms of constructing the community i needed, that happened
>>>> mostly
>>>> via coming out on twitter. Three trans women then reached out to me
>>>> direclty. All three i'd count as friends and one a sigificant big
>>>> sister to
>>>> me. She connected to to a second who has that role in my transition, via
>>>> twitter dm. A third i found independently, but also via twitter.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also now connected to a skein of networks of trans ppl via twitter,
>>>> one
>>>> strand is writers, one is academics, another is about tech. Another is
>>>> more
>>>> specifically New York based and is trans ppl i', friendly with but not
>>>> (or
>>>> not yet) particularly close to.
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in this both as a trans woman and as a media scholar, of
>>>> course.
>>>>
>>>> m
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:12 AM Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>> > I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
>>>> posting,
>>>> > but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my
>>>> heart
>>>> > swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>> >
>>>> > I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
>>>> > about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve
>>>> found
>>>> > people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media as
>>>> a way
>>>> > to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and
>>>> now
>>>> > Facebook.
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you
>>>> present
>>>> > at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
>>>> wondering if
>>>> > you might be family.
>>>> >
>>>> > What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
>>>> said:
>>>> > "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >
>>>> > True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i
>>>> was
>>>> > clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >
>>>> > "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed
>>>> for
>>>> > extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground
>>>> for
>>>> > Nazis.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> > transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> > twitter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
>>>> playing
>>>> > whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >
>>>> > The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too.
>>>> The
>>>> > Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld
>>>> library.
>>>> >
>>>> > Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> > model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> > http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >
>>>> > -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all
>>>> call
>>>> > ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >
>>>> > But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> > allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue. McKenzie
>>>> >> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as
>>>> loathing,
>>>> >> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror. I
>>>> thought
>>>> >> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy
>>>> I gave
>>>> >> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads not taken,
>>>> ships
>>>> >> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in
>>>> the
>>>> >> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through
>>>> >> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close
>>>> relative,
>>>> >> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
>>>> Trumpist. J
>>>> >> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging
>>>> >> pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either
>>>> reduces
>>>> >> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
>>>> literally? all
>>>> >> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car
>>>> behind
>>>> >> her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all busy
>>>> slouching
>>>> >> toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more
>>>> time.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sandy
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> > *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> > EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> > 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> >
>>>> > warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> > <
>>>> http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> > T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > empyre forum
>>>> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > empyre forum
>>>> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>
>>>> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#
>>>> >
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 01:17:18 -0400
>>>> From: warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <
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>>>>
>>>> oh, i wanted to add -- given Sandy's truly extensive background in all
>>>> things audio --
>>>>
>>>> one of the skeins of the network i fell into, via, twitter, is trans
>>>> women
>>>> who are ravers.
>>>>
>>>> There's something about this extremely relentless, minimal music that
>>>> has a
>>>> trans following. It works for me, so i get it.
>>>>
>>>> Its so lacking in the narrative or emotional habits of music that you
>>>> are
>>>> free to project your own feelings and body into it.
>>>>
>>>> In other words its great for dysphoria.
>>>>
>>>> I was taken by the hand by sisters who led me into the bowels of
>>>> Brooklyn
>>>> for raves at which trans women get in free and are always on the list.
>>>>
>>>> This looped me back to 90s culture, where i discovered European techno
>>>> through its overlap with the digital avant-gardes who did their
>>>> theory-work
>>>> via listserves like nettime.org and indeed empyre.
>>>>
>>>> m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:24 AM warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks Jaimes,
>>>> > When i came out, nobody who actually knew me even slightly seemed
>>>> at
>>>> > all surprised. And a lot of ppl who know me well were like -- finally!
>>>> >
>>>> > I'd be curious to know what the experience was like of finding other
>>>> trans
>>>> > ppl on Friendster and Myspace. I didn't. I started with Tumblr.
>>>> >
>>>> > I came out on Facebook because it seemed that was where my
>>>> professional
>>>> > identity was, and where ppl who knew me from Australia were.
>>>> >
>>>> > But in terms of constructing the community i needed, that happened
>>>> mostly
>>>> > via coming out on twitter. Three trans women then reached out to me
>>>> > direclty. All three i'd count as friends and one a sigificant big
>>>> sister to
>>>> > me. She connected to to a second who has that role in my transition,
>>>> via
>>>> > twitter dm. A third i found independently, but also via twitter.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm also now connected to a skein of networks of trans ppl via
>>>> twitter,
>>>> > one strand is writers, one is academics, another is about tech.
>>>> Another is
>>>> > more specifically New York based and is trans ppl i', friendly with
>>>> but not
>>>> > (or not yet) particularly close to.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm interested in this both as a trans woman and as a media scholar,
>>>> of
>>>> > course.
>>>> >
>>>> > m
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:12 AM Jaimes Mayhew <
>>>> jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hi everyone,
>>>> >> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
>>>> posting,
>>>> >> but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my
>>>> heart
>>>> >> swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of
>>>> conversation
>>>> >> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve
>>>> found
>>>> >> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media
>>>> as a way
>>>> >> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and
>>>> now
>>>> >> Facebook.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you
>>>> present
>>>> >> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
>>>> wondering if
>>>> >> you might be family.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
>>>> said:
>>>> >> "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i
>>>> was
>>>> >> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed
>>>> for
>>>> >> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground
>>>> for
>>>> >> Nazis.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> >> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> >> twitter.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
>>>> playing
>>>> >> whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too.
>>>> The
>>>> >> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld
>>>> library.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> >> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> >> http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all
>>>> >> call ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> >> allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue. McKenzie
>>>> >>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as
>>>> loathing,
>>>> >>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror. I
>>>> thought
>>>> >>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy
>>>> I gave
>>>> >>> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads not
>>>> taken, ships
>>>> >>> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in
>>>> the
>>>> >>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going
>>>> through
>>>> >>> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close
>>>> relative,
>>>> >>> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
>>>> Trumpist. J
>>>> >>> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging
>>>> >>> pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either
>>>> reduces
>>>> >>> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
>>>> literally? all
>>>> >>> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car
>>>> behind
>>>> >>> her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all busy
>>>> slouching
>>>> >>> toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >>> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more
>>>> time.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sandy
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >>> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> empyre forum
>>>> >>> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >>> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> >> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> >> *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> >> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> >> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> >> <
>>>> http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> >> T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> > *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> > EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> > 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> >
>>>> > warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> > <
>>>> http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> > T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>
>>>> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#
>>>> >
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:37:51 +0900
>>>> From: isabelle arvers <iarvers at gmail.com>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <
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>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I so much agree with what has just been said;)
>>>> On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far is
>>>> in
>>>> Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that our
>>>> body
>>>> is our own territory of experimentation;)
>>>> also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who had a
>>>> baby,
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Isabelle
>>>>
>>>> [image:
>>>> http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif]
>>>> <http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif>
>>>> Isabelle Arvers
>>>> Curator, art critic and artist
>>>> Wattsap: +33 661 998 386
>>>> http://www.isabellearvers.com
>>>> Director of Kareron www.kareron.com
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour
>>>> twitter: @zabarvers
>>>> instagram.com/zabarvers
>>>> youtube.com/zabarvers
>>>> https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers
>>>> Skype ID: iarvers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 ? 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com>
>>>> a
>>>> ?crit :
>>>>
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>> > I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
>>>> posting,
>>>> > but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my
>>>> heart
>>>> > swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>> >
>>>> > I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
>>>> > about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve
>>>> found
>>>> > people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media as
>>>> a way
>>>> > to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and
>>>> now
>>>> > Facebook.
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you
>>>> present
>>>> > at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
>>>> wondering if
>>>> > you might be family.
>>>> >
>>>> > What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
>>>> said:
>>>> > "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >
>>>> > True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i
>>>> was
>>>> > clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >
>>>> > "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed
>>>> for
>>>> > extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground
>>>> for
>>>> > Nazis.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> > transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> > twitter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
>>>> playing
>>>> > whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >
>>>> > The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too.
>>>> The
>>>> > Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld
>>>> library.
>>>> >
>>>> > Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> > model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> > http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >
>>>> > -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all
>>>> call
>>>> > ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >
>>>> > But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> > allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue. McKenzie
>>>> >> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as
>>>> loathing,
>>>> >> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror. I
>>>> thought
>>>> >> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy
>>>> I gave
>>>> >> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads not taken,
>>>> ships
>>>> >> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in
>>>> the
>>>> >> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through
>>>> >> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close
>>>> relative,
>>>> >> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
>>>> Trumpist. J
>>>> >> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging
>>>> >> pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either
>>>> reduces
>>>> >> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
>>>> literally? all
>>>> >> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car
>>>> behind
>>>> >> her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all busy
>>>> slouching
>>>> >> toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more
>>>> time.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sandy
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> > Professor of Media and Culture
>>>> > EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> > 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> >
>>>> > warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> > <
>>>> http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> > T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > empyre forum
>>>> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > empyre forum
>>>> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
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>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:56:00 -0400
>>>> From: warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>
>>>> Thanks for those references. I don?t know that documentary. In the
>>>> overdeveloped world and perhaps elsewhere, all bodies, cis and trans,
>>>> are
>>>> experiments held together by both technical experiments and aesthetic
>>>> experiments. Trans ppl don?t necessarily want to be seen as exceptional
>>>> in
>>>> that regard. Personally we m in the Freak Pride camp, but a lot of
>>>> brothers, sisters and others just think of themselves as ordinary. The
>>>> right to be ordinary is also an important one. M
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:38 AM isabelle arvers <iarvers at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> > Hello everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> > I so much agree with what has just been said;)
>>>> > On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far
>>>> is in
>>>> > Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that our
>>>> body
>>>> > is our own territory of experimentation;)
>>>> > also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who
>>>> had a
>>>> > baby,
>>>> > Cheers
>>>> >
>>>> > Isabelle
>>>> >
>>>> > [image:
>>>> > http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif
>>>> ]
>>>> > <
>>>> http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif>
>>>> > Isabelle Arvers
>>>> > Curator, art critic and artist
>>>> > Wattsap: +33 661 998 386
>>>> > http://www.isabellearvers.com
>>>> > Director of Kareron www.kareron.com
>>>> > https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour
>>>> > twitter: @zabarvers
>>>> > instagram.com/zabarvers
>>>> > youtube.com/zabarvers
>>>> > https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers
>>>> > Skype ID: iarvers
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 ? 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com>
>>>> a
>>>> > ?crit :
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hi everyone,
>>>> >> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
>>>> posting,
>>>> >> but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my
>>>> heart
>>>> >> swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of
>>>> conversation
>>>> >> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve
>>>> found
>>>> >> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media
>>>> as a way
>>>> >> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and
>>>> now
>>>> >> Facebook.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you
>>>> present
>>>> >> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
>>>> wondering if
>>>> >> you might be family.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
>>>> said:
>>>> >> "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i
>>>> was
>>>> >> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed
>>>> for
>>>> >> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground
>>>> for
>>>> >> Nazis.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> >> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> >> twitter.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
>>>> playing
>>>> >> whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too.
>>>> The
>>>> >> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld
>>>> library.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> >> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> >> http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all
>>>> >> call ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> >> allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue. McKenzie
>>>> >>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as
>>>> loathing,
>>>> >>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror. I
>>>> thought
>>>> >>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy
>>>> I gave
>>>> >>> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads not
>>>> taken, ships
>>>> >>> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in
>>>> the
>>>> >>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going
>>>> through
>>>> >>> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close
>>>> relative,
>>>> >>> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
>>>> Trumpist. J
>>>> >>> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging
>>>> >>> pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either
>>>> reduces
>>>> >>> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
>>>> literally? all
>>>> >>> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car
>>>> behind
>>>> >>> her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all busy
>>>> slouching
>>>> >>> toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >>> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more
>>>> time.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sandy
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >>> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> empyre forum
>>>> >>> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >>> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> >> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> >> Professor of Media and Culture
>>>> >> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> >> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> >> <
>>>> https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> >> <
>>>> http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> >> T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > empyre forum
>>>> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>
>>>> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#
>>>> >
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>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:02:40 -0400
>>>> From: warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>> So enough about me.
>>>>
>>>> This is sort of how it works in my trans girl world: i have a big sister
>>>> and she has a big sister
>>>>
>>>> -- but the big sister of us all is Sandy Stone. And i just want to sit
>>>> at
>>>> her (virtual feet).
>>>>
>>>> So Sandy:
>>>> how has your thinking changed, or not, since The Empire Strikes Back: A
>>>> Posttranssexual Manifesto?
>>>>
>>>> what do you think about the internet-spawned trans culture that sprang
>>>> up,
>>>> maybe mostly via tumblr?
>>>>
>>>> can you tell me a it about ageing? I just turned 58 and am already a
>>>> middle
>>>> aged woman...
>>>>
>>>> do you find resonances between the techniques for our bodies and for our
>>>> ears? Sound and body technics?
>>>>
>>>> oh i have so much more, but just for a start...
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 11:56 AM warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks for those references. I don?t know that documentary. In the
>>>> > overdeveloped world and perhaps elsewhere, all bodies, cis and trans,
>>>> are
>>>> > experiments held together by both technical experiments and aesthetic
>>>> > experiments. Trans ppl don?t necessarily want to be seen as
>>>> exceptional in
>>>> > that regard. Personally we m in the Freak Pride camp, but a lot of
>>>> > brothers, sisters and others just think of themselves as ordinary. The
>>>> > right to be ordinary is also an important one. M
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:38 AM isabelle arvers <iarvers at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hello everyone,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I so much agree with what has just been said;)
>>>> >> On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far
>>>> is in
>>>> >> Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that our
>>>> body
>>>> >> is our own territory of experimentation;)
>>>> >> also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who
>>>> had a
>>>> >> baby,
>>>> >> Cheers
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Isabelle
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [image:
>>>> >>
>>>> http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif]
>>>> >> <
>>>> http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif>
>>>> >> Isabelle Arvers
>>>> >> Curator, art critic and artist
>>>> >> Wattsap: +33 661 998 386
>>>> >> http://www.isabellearvers.com
>>>> >> Director of Kareron www.kareron.com
>>>> >> https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour
>>>> >> twitter: @zabarvers
>>>> >> instagram.com/zabarvers
>>>> >> youtube.com/zabarvers
>>>> >> https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers
>>>> >> Skype ID: iarvers
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 ? 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <
>>>> jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com> a
>>>> >> ?crit :
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>> Hi everyone,
>>>> >>> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
>>>> >>> posting, but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation
>>>> made my
>>>> >>> heart swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my
>>>> career.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of
>>>> conversation
>>>> >>> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible.
>>>> I?ve found
>>>> >>> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media
>>>> as a way
>>>> >>> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and
>>>> now
>>>> >>> Facebook.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you
>>>> present
>>>> >>> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
>>>> wondering if
>>>> >>> you might be family.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
>>>> >>> said: "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i
>>>> was
>>>> >>> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed
>>>> for
>>>> >>> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground
>>>> for
>>>> >>> Nazis.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> >>> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> >>> twitter.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
>>>> >>> playing whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too.
>>>> The
>>>> >>> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld
>>>> library.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the
>>>> medicalized
>>>> >>> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> >>> http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who
>>>> all
>>>> >>> call ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> >>> allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>>> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >>>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >>>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.
>>>> McKenzie
>>>> >>>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as
>>>> loathing,
>>>> >>>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror. I
>>>> thought
>>>> >>>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of
>>>> courtesy I gave
>>>> >>>> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads not
>>>> taken, ships
>>>> >>>> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point
>>>> in the
>>>> >>>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going
>>>> through
>>>> >>>> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close
>>>> >>>> relative, an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring
>>>> person, is a
>>>> >>>> Trumpist. J Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist,
>>>> was a
>>>> >>>> raging pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video
>>>> that either
>>>> >>>> reduces or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
>>>> >>>> literally? all it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting
>>>> out of the
>>>> >>>> car behind her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re
>>>> all busy
>>>> >>>> slouching toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >>>> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more
>>>> time.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Sandy
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >>>> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >>>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>> empyre forum
>>>> >>>> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >>>> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> >>> Professor of Media and Culture
>>>> >>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> >>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> >>> <
>>>> https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g
>>>> >
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> >>> <
>>>> http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> >>> T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> empyre forum
>>>> >>> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >>> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> empyre forum
>>>> >>> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >>> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> > *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> > EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> > 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> >
>>>> > warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> > <
>>>> http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>>
>>> --
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